Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Posted by : foongpc | Wednesday, March 25, 2009 | Published in

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I know of someone whose teenage daughter is a lesbian. Not that this is a big deal in this day and age, but I later learnt that she does not really want to be a lesbian. She is just being a lesbian because she thinks it is trendy! Can you believe it?

Well, blame it all on Lindsay Lohan and some other Hollywood actresses who practise lesbianism!


Lindsay Lohan

However, I believe most gays and lesbians did not become who they are because it is trendy. They are born with a different sexual orientation. In other words, they did not have a choice in their sexual preference.

Some critics say that homosexuals are a result of upbringing and environment. They theorised that a boy became gay because his father was cold and emotionally detached. Or a girl became a lesbian because she had an aggressive mother. But this theory is neither correct nor proven.

According to the book 'Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps' by Allan and Barbara Pease, there were a lot or research done that concluded that homosexuals are born and not conditioned.



Scientists have already confirmed that the basic template for the body and brain of a human foetus is female in structure. That's why men have redundant female features like nipples and have mammary glands that do not function. In other words, we all started as females.

But 6 to 8 weeks after conception, a male foetus receives a massive dose of male hormones called androgens which help form his testes. Later, he receives a second dose which alter his brain from a female to a male configuration.

Now, if during that time, the male foetus did not receive enough androgens due to some reasons, he may be born with a more feminine brain structure, and is therefore likely to be gay by puberty.

Or he may be born with with a fully feminine brain structure yet still have the male genitals. In this case, he's likely to be a transgender, which means biologically, he's male but feel as if he's a female inside.

Even worse are some children who are born with both male and female genitals. They are sometimes born and raised as girls only to become boys at puberty. Their parents were shocked that their little girls had turned into boys! This change occured despite all the social conditioning and upbringing, which proves that social environment and upbringing had little to do with one's sexual orientation.

The important question is how does the male hormone, androgens get suppressed? Well, there are several causes among them, severe stress, sickness and certain medications will reduce the production of this male hormone.

So if during the early stage of pregnancy, the male hormone is suppressed, and the foetus is male, the chances of giving birth to a gay boy are high.

However, if the foetus is female, then the likelihood is that the girl will be a very feminine girl.

It is interesting to note that certain medications like contraceptive pills and diabetic drugs actually dose the body with male hormones like testosterone. This overdosing of male hormones is the cause of the female foetus turning into a lesbian girl!

It is for this reason that you find more homosexual guys than girls. This is because the chances of the foetus not receiving enough male hormone is higher than an overdose.

So pregnant mothers, do be careful of the medication you take! And manage your stress well if you want straight boys!


Poor Fab Five! Apparently, they did not receive enough androgens while in their mommies' wombs.

After having read this, what do you think? Do you still believe homosexuality is a result of social environment and upbringing? Or do you believe that one's sexual orientation is already fixed at birth, in other words, one has no choice in the matter?

If one really has no choice in the matter, isn't it unfair that gays and lesbians are treated with so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination in some parts of the world?

It's like you are shunned because you have blue eyes, or red hair, or you are left handed or dyslexic.

Sometimes, I wonder if it really is a choice, why would any intelligent person choose a way of life that exposes them to so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination? Isn't it so much easier to be straight?

For more reading on this subject, check out the book 'Why Men Don't Listen & Women Don't Read Maps' by Allan and Barbara Pease.


FIRST COMMENTER

(86) Comments

  1. annant said...

    wow!
    really informative...
    all this while i thought gay/lesbo is affected by people around him/her...

    March 25, 2009 at 12:40 AM
  2. Monica said...

    missed FC!! >.<

    March 25, 2009 at 1:01 AM
  3. Monica said...

    Foong, I'll brb k!

    March 25, 2009 at 1:05 AM
  4. *Anton* said...

    Too many scientific studies done, way too many findings and conclusions.

    Personally, I do believe it's not all genetic, coz environmental factors can severely affect our mindsets and behavorial tendencies too.

    There a comment that i read fm somewhere which stuck to my mind..... "Never discriminate, coz you'll never expect that your loved-one, even perhaps your offspring, could be gay too!"

    Nice post dude! ^_^

    +Ant+

    March 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM
  5. TZ said...

    Interesting article / entry... I learnt something new today :)

    March 25, 2009 at 1:43 AM
  6. Ayie said...

    It's really hard to tell how it starts and where it starts. This article is good to open up minds of people who tend to criticize those kind of people.

    Thanks for the article, I'll take the advice about pregnancy since we're trying to conceive soon.

    March 25, 2009 at 3:04 AM
  7. Cashmere said...

    All I wanna say is, I think it's crap to think that it's trendy to be gay/lesbian. There's nothing cool about that.. Gosh! Now I really wonder what's the next trend??

    March 25, 2009 at 4:23 AM
  8. cibol said...

    all i can say is ewwwwwwwww! I can't imagine my backdoor being .. you know. but again, it's a choice - i respect that. but please don't do the mushy mushy gay stuffs in front of me. i might buttkick, swing back kick and some hadoken will come.

    March 25, 2009 at 7:10 AM
  9. Tekkaus said...

    I believe most of it it's a matter of choice. =) Because I have seen a few and personally asked them. And they choose to be what they are right now. =)

    March 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM
  10. khengsiong said...

    Perhaps both birth condition and upbringing have a role in shaping a person's sexual orientation. We still need more research. It is too early to draw conclusion.

    Regarding Tekkaus' comment:
    "And they choose to be what they are right now."

    I think what the guys mean are they have 2 options:
    (A) marry a woman, but deep inside his heart he still loves another man
    (B) live together with a man whom he loves

    In the end they choose (B).

    March 25, 2009 at 8:58 AM
  11. nic said...

    oh no.. u mean i was a gal for some time when i was a foetus?

    and i think for those who practices homosexuality just for the sake of trendiness needs to be shot!

    March 25, 2009 at 9:03 AM
  12. Lisalicious said...

    nah, its not from choice....

    basically if you are straight that means you are from birth...

    yeah its all about hormone thingy when you're inside the womb....

    allan pease book talks about it, highly interesting i tell ya

    March 25, 2009 at 9:04 AM
  13. foongpc said...

    annant, I guess this post is an eye opener for you? There's more in the book - go and read it! : )

    monica, narrowly missed FC! Next time then : )

    anton, I believe environmental factors can affect to a certain degree, but if you are not gay at birth, you are very unlikely to turn into one later in life. Or maybe you do - probably that's how bisexuals come about? : )

    March 25, 2009 at 11:36 AM
  14. foongpc said...

    TZ, glad you learnt something new today : )

    ayie, looks like my post here is very timely for you. Haha!

    cashmere, well all this trendiness stem from where else, but Hollywood! I also don't agree anyone turn gay just to be in. It's like you are not true to yourself. Either you are gay or you are not. Don't be one just to be cool! As for the next trend, who knows? : )

    March 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM
  15. foongpc said...

    cibol, wow! So violent! I hope no gay guys act mushy mushy in front of you. Haha!

    tekkaus, really? Probably they choose to be what they are because they have no feelings for girls? So they really have no choice, cos that's the only choice left : )

    khengsiong, I know of a guy who is married, but still have boyfriends outside. Pity his wife! He is just using his wife as a cover. Isn't it better he don't get married?

    March 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM
  16. foongpc said...

    nic, yes you are originally a female. Then somehow fate has it that you become a male. From XX to XY. Haha! : )

    lisalicious, actually you are the one who introduced me to this interesting book. I didn't win the free copy from you, so I went to buy the book myself! Did not regret buying it at all! Thanks! : )

    March 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM
  17. iamthewitch said...

    I think I can accept gays or lesbians, but I still find it hard to accept people with both genitals. Otherwise, I think even if it's by choice or if they're born with it, we shouldn't treat gays any differently. Their sexual preference is totally their own choice, not for us to judge.

    March 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM
  18. foongpc said...

    iamthewitch, actually I have yet to meet anyone who have both genitals. But I will not judge them. Like what you said, whether it's inborn, or it's their choice, we should not judge them because who knows, one day someone close to us eg. our children will be one too. Or we might be one in our next life! : )

    March 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM
  19. Selba said...

    Well, I believe that some people are born gay, some people are not born gay but choose to become gay because of many circumstances.

    I just don't get it when I heard someone (a celebrity here in Indonesia) who is known for years and claimed to be a gay since a kid suddenly because converted to another religion, suddenly became a straight. Weird....

    March 25, 2009 at 12:04 PM
  20. eugene said...

    i believe that are many factors can affect one's sexuality and inclination, my friend's daughter became a les,like you said,she thought it was cool(can attract attention from the passerbys), another good friend of mine,a gay, which according to him, since he was a small boy,he just loved man, but i suspect that something went wrong during his boyhood(he never admit though)

    My take is parents have to be open to their children when they are curious about their sexuality,please dont feed them non sense analogy.

    March 25, 2009 at 12:08 PM
  21. xin said...

    hmmmm so it is actually predetermined? i mean, environmental and upbringing are not the major issues anymore? and so, now parents cnt blame their children for turning into homo eh

    March 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM
  22. Rad Sujanto said...

    From what you said about the discrimination I wonder if it's ok to ask someone whether or not he's gay or not. Let's see... Foong, are you gay? No offense, cause if so, it wont be matched with your 'theory' of discrimination.

    March 25, 2009 at 12:17 PM
  23. foongpc said...

    selba, well, I guess if that celebrity is not a true gay, then he can change back to straight because originally, he's a straight.

    Or maybe he changed to a religion that forbid homosexuality and he had no choice but to force himself to be straight, which of course won't cure him of his homosexuality, but will just make him suffer internally.

    Or a third possibility is, he's bisexual. In which case, he can change to straight at any time : )

    March 25, 2009 at 12:39 PM
  24. foongpc said...

    eugene, I agree there are many factors involved, but in my opinion, I still think homosexuality is fixed at birth. The reason is many gays have undergone all sorts of therapies to cure their homosexuality without real success. These includes drug therapy, frontal lobotomy, psychotherapy, electric shock therapy, prayers, and spiritual counselling.

    I do agree that parents should be open to their children when they start getting curious about their sexuality. I think there's a phase in a teenager's life when he/she gets attracted to the person of the same sex, but this is just a temporary thing.

    However, if the teenager concerned do not get proper guidance, he/she may think he/she is gay, which is not the case.

    March 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM
  25. klhappysurfer said...

    Interesting about the template. Oh dear, what will happen to the X and Y chromosome theory?

    I wouldn't entirely agree that it's purely genetics because the environment one is in can be a contributary factor, and being trendy hardly comes into play, I should think.

    I think being gay or the choice of being one takes a lot of thinking and conflicts within:

    - you have to be passionate enough to go for it,
    - you need a lot of courage to be on the "other side" as it involves the possibility of being ridiculed or shunned,
    - you have to be true to yourself and not live a lie and be miserable your whole life,
    - etc.

    Not only guys, gay ladies too can live a double-life - bisexual. They can get married (just to put up a conventional facade) and keep company with their true love(s) at the same time. We live in wonderful times of equality!

    Whatever it is, anyone's sexual orientation is his/her business just like any heterosexual's. No one is more or less worthy because of his/her sexual orientation.

    Personally, I feel that gay people are more sensitive (on the positive side) and more loving. No?

    Great post, Foong!

    March 25, 2009 at 12:51 PM
  26. foongpc said...

    xin, yes it would seem so. No I don't think parents should blame their children for being homosexuals, and the children should not blame the parents too. Parents should not feel bad or upset but try to understand and accept. Homosexuals or not, everyone is human and deserve respect as human beings : )

    March 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM
  27. foongpc said...

    rad, I don't think it's nice to ask someone whether he/she is straight or gay. Because of discrimination, judgment and prejudice against homosexuals, people are likely to lie to you and say they are straight. Unless they know you are gay as well.

    There are a lot of gays who are not 'out' yet and they keep their homosexuality in the closet. Don't be surprised if your close friend turn out to be gay - you just never know! Just like you were so surprised that pretty Lindsay Lohan is a lesbian!

    As for me, I am straight. But would you really trust my words? Cos I can be gay but say I'm straight. Or I can be bisexual for that matter : )

    March 25, 2009 at 1:04 PM
  28. Merryn said...

    ew.. i cant get that image of those two guys kissing out of my mind!!! cant digest that ler.. not a sight for me to behold.. sorry to all the gays outthere.. i m not discriminating.. just.. not used to it.. haih.. but i respect u guys for being urself..

    March 25, 2009 at 1:08 PM
  29. Monica said...

    the second pic is far more disturbing man!

    March 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM
  30. Lisalicious said...

    haha glad you found that book enlighting, it makes me learn a lot of stuff from there and sort of like answers all the WHY question yeah??


    the winner was updated in that blog post itself...

    i think he has an inactive blog

    March 25, 2009 at 1:42 PM
  31. foongpc said...

    happysurfer, what is the X and Y chromosomes theory? Care to explain?

    I agree that being gay is tough because of all the ridicule that's why I don't think homosexuality is a choice. It's much easier being straight! Why all the trouble?

    I'm sure there are lesbians who are married but still continue to have girlfriends. Maybe the best arrangement is for a gay guy to marry a lesbian girl, then they can still continue to have their own lovers, and at the same time use the marriage as a cover! haha!

    Btw, I think you are right. Gays are more sensitive and more loving. Probably because they have a more feminine brain : )

    March 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM
  32. foongpc said...

    merryn, haha! It's understandable you can't digest it. But when you think that all human beings are capable of love, then it really does not matter if it's between the same sex or the opposite sex : )

    monica, you call that disturbing? Well, I guess you are not used to seeing such pictures. Haha! In the olden days, both the guys would be imprisoned for such an act! : )

    lisalicious, yes the book is such a good read. Learnt a lot of things, and besides it's written in a humorous way which I enjoyed tremendously!

    Oh, what a pity the winner has an inactive blog. You should not have gave the book to an inactive blogger. If you had awarded the book to me, I would have mentioned about you in this post. Haha! : )

    March 25, 2009 at 3:37 PM
  33. -eiling- said...

    It is true. In biology, I learnt that the reason for homosexuals is due to the mutation of the genes. So it's not anyone's fault. The society has to accept it. but some chose to be gay and since it's their choice, we should not discrimate them. I can swing both sides but I still prefer a man!

    March 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM
  34. foongpc said...

    eiling, wow! You can swing both sides? Are you bisexual? I think lots of girls will be excited by this prospect. LOL!

    Yes, I totally agree with you that we should respect biology and people's choice whether they want to be gay or straight. It's all personal preference like, whether you want your hair long or short, or black or blond.

    I think there are a lot of people out there who can swing both sides but prefer the opposite sex. Celebrities like Madonna is a case in point : )

    March 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM
  35. Superman said...

    so people are born with it. Some are their own choices. Right or wrong? Nobody can judge it.

    March 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM
  36. Neo said...

    Wow, the FC thingy is so cool le... how did you do it?

    I am straight! I love hot girls!

    March 25, 2009 at 4:50 PM
  37. [SK] said...

    that is kind of interesting explanation, but i think there are for sure more factors on that.. it's something more complicated than we have ever thought.. :)

    March 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
  38. JL said...

    Errmmmm...I really don't know what to say. Some experts say it's genetic, some say it's a choice, I've read both sides of an argument so I'm just utterly confused by the evidence given. In the end I don't feel like caring so much. But don't do all those intimate stuff in front of me, straight or gay. @@

    Wah foong, got people don't like the 2nd pic xD

    March 25, 2009 at 6:09 PM
  39. Rad Sujanto said...

    Response to this message (rad, I don't think it's nice to ask someone whether he/she is straight or gay. Because of discrimination, judgment and prejudice against homosexuals, people are likely to lie to you and say they are straight. Unless they know you are gay as well.

    There are a lot of gays who are not 'out' yet and they keep their homosexuality in the closet. Don't be surprised if your close friend turn out to be gay - you just never know! Just like you were so surprised that pretty Lindsay Lohan is a lesbian!

    As for me, I am straight. But would you really trust my words? Cos I can be gay but say I'm straight. Or I can be bisexual for that matter : )

    That's what I mean. If someone can't start from themselves to not be discriminated why should they lie about themselves? They already discriminate themselves at the first place.

    Yea... I still can't believe my Lindsay is gay :((

    March 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM
  40. pikey said...

    I've read my younger brother text books (he was majoring in Psychology) and read much on the chapter on sexuality...

    To put it briefing, there are biological and child development factors that causes it.

    March 25, 2009 at 8:50 PM
  41. annant said...

    foongpc...why oh why u put this mugshots of me up :S
    oh my bulbous nose... :S

    March 25, 2009 at 10:58 PM
  42. foongpc said...

    superman, yes it's not for us to judge : )

    neo, no need to tell me also I know you love hot girls! Haha! The FC thing is cool yeah? Actually, it's done manually. Every FC will get a link back on my blog. You can do the same with your blog. Then I will try to be FC on your blog! hehe : )

    SK, you think so? I really don't know. Probably. But at this moment, I believe it is fixed at birth unless there are new evidence to prove otherwise : )

    March 26, 2009 at 12:19 AM
  43. foongpc said...

    JL, it's probably both, but I will stick to genetics at the moment unless new evidence crops up. You don't like people to be intimate in front of you? So shy ah, you? Haha!

    Yes, there are some people who don't like the 2nd picture but I don't blame them lah, they are not used to seeing such things. It's just a matter of getting used : )

    March 26, 2009 at 12:24 AM
  44. foongpc said...

    rad, if you are gay, will you tell others you are gay and get shunned by people? It's not that simple.

    As for Lindsay, at first I thought it's just a passing fad for her, but now I think she's serious about her sexual orientation! Just to let you know a lot of pretty girls are in fact, lesbians! Don't get too shocked, OK? LOL!

    March 26, 2009 at 12:27 AM
  45. foongpc said...

    pikey, so I guess it's a combination of biological and child development? I would say the biological cause is stronger, while the upbringing cause may just sort of encourage homosexuality, but will not cause one who is straight to become gay.

    annant, haha! Sorry did not have time to find other photos of you. Anyway, this one is nice what! : )

    March 26, 2009 at 12:32 AM
  46. Ayie said...

    Quite timely....hehe

    Still working on it! *winkwink*

    March 26, 2009 at 12:36 AM
  47. Mariuca said...

    Firstly, wow excellent post, I read every word! :):):)

    March 26, 2009 at 1:45 AM
  48. Mariuca said...

    Second, boo hoo hoo missed FC!!!! :(

    March 26, 2009 at 1:46 AM
  49. Mariuca said...

    The bit abt being gay to follow a trend is hilarious! Grow up ppl! ;)

    March 26, 2009 at 1:47 AM
  50. MommaWannabe said...

    I read that book too;) I don't think it's a choice - they are born with it or not.Somebody in my family is gay and it was already showing even when he was still young.

    March 26, 2009 at 2:08 AM
  51. kenwooi.com said...

    not a choice, really.. it's kinda like within them since birth?

    but yeah, for some wannabes, it's their choice.. but it's so fake i think.. lol..

    March 26, 2009 at 3:10 AM
  52. Anonymous

    wow! great information! I had never heard this take vefore. I just assumed you were born the way you were but could not understand why.

    March 26, 2009 at 5:56 AM
  53. Life Ramblings said...

    none of us know all the answers to their problems. discrimination and prejudice against gays and lesbians is not a new phenomenon.

    March 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM
  54. Life Ramblings said...

    LL is constantly in the news for the wrong reasons. Most of us have heard about LL's troubled early years of drunk driving and cocaine. i never like her.

    March 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM
  55. levian said...

    you're right when you said some people tend to stick to a boy-girl relationship because it is the "expected" or "normal" thing to do, in the meanwhile denying their actual preferences or needs. it sure take a lot of nerves to accept one for who he/she is. :)

    March 26, 2009 at 9:09 AM
  56. _el@i_ said...

    nice post! just because it is trendy??? the reason sucks!

    March 26, 2009 at 10:36 AM
  57. -eiling- said...

    I think I can get sexcited by a girl but in the long run, I think I still prefer a real dick! Lol...

    March 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM
  58. vialentino said...

    cant accept it...but can accept homo friends

    March 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM
  59. Neo said...

    Wahaha... you have been very observative eh... FC do manual? Aiyah... I am too lazy for that. :)

    You give me free KFC voucher or not if i became your FC?

    March 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM
  60. Rad Sujanto said...

    Not just shocked but pretty sad... oh god she's so hawt!

    March 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM
  61. happysurfer said...

    Foong, what I meant is that your book theory of the female template is not quite in line with the existing X and Y chromosome theory of sex determination, which I covered a little bit more in the comments in answer to your query. You can search the web for more info. Cheers!

    March 26, 2009 at 4:11 PM
  62. synical said...

    Heard of the book(s), can't be arsed to read it.

    I learned that it's genetic from some class in college... kids would know that they're gay or not from a very young age. Parents can't blame themselves, it happens.

    I'm waiting for LiLo to do a Anne Heche any day now. Bisexuality's just being indecisive :P

    March 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM
  63. foongpc said...

    ayie, good luck! : )

    mariuca, thanks! Yeah, pretty ridiculous to think that being gay is trendy! : )

    mommawannabee, so you have first hand evidence that gays are born and not a choice. Thanks for commenting!! : )

    March 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM
  64. foongpc said...

    kenwooi, gay wannabees? Haha! First time hear such a word : )

    anonymous, so now you know why : )

    life ramblings, yes Lindsay Lohan is always in the news for the wrong reasons, just like Britney Spears : )

    March 26, 2009 at 6:49 PM
  65. jam said...

    I once said to my friends, "If I have a gay son or lesbian daughter in the future, I will kill him or her and then commit suicide". Sorry, no offence.

    March 26, 2009 at 6:50 PM
  66. foongpc said...

    levian, yes so I quite admire those gays/lesbians who are 'out'. I think they have the guts to accept themselves as who they are, and not cover up.

    el@i, I also do not agree for one to be gay just to be trendy : )

    eiling, I'm sure you do : )

    March 26, 2009 at 6:53 PM
  67. foongpc said...

    vialentino, what is it that you cannot accept?

    neo, no need to be observant lah. Your blog just cry out "Hot girls!" Haha! Wah, so greedy. Already giving link back for FC, want KFC voucher some more! : )

    rad, so you like Lindsay's photo here? : )

    March 26, 2009 at 6:57 PM
  68. foongpc said...

    happysurfer, OK will read from your commments and search the web for more info. Thanks! : )

    synical, Lilo to do a Anne Heche? haha! Bisexuality is being indecisive? I'm really not sure if that's true! Haha! : )

    March 26, 2009 at 7:05 PM
  69. foongpc said...

    jam, OMG! You are a homophobe! Must learn to accept people as they are lah! They did not choose to be gay. What if you are a gay in your next life? Will you commit suicide? : )

    March 26, 2009 at 7:12 PM
  70. Bengbeng said...

    Foongpc, there is an interesting reply to yr comment on my latest post. it is about yr dream girl.

    March 26, 2009 at 9:08 PM
  71. foongpc said...

    bengbeng, OK, will hop to your blog now : )

    March 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM
  72. happy said...

    I'd say bisexual people have the best of both worlds but then again can everyone do it? It's not an easy act to follow. One either gets turned on or turned off by it. No sitting on the fence, this one.

    Ahh... sex is so sexy. LOL!

    March 26, 2009 at 11:17 PM
  73. Faisal Admar said...

    foong, the picture is hot! :D

    hmm. i agree with you homosexual is not a trend like those moron think. it's genetic disorder.. :)

    i'll get the book!

    March 27, 2009 at 11:52 PM
  74. foongpc said...

    happy, I agree. Bisexual really have the best of both worlds! Hmm, come to think of it, maybe it's not that bad being a bisexual! : )

    faisal admar, err...which picture do you mean?

    March 28, 2009 at 2:15 AM
  75. Anonymous

    There are penalties such as jail even death for breaking the law in this country, but people commit crimes anyway. it is a choice they make despite knowing the consequences.

    Yes homosexuals that are out in the open are subjected to redicule, but to use that as an example as to why they are born that way is simply absurd!

    Men commit adultry with full awareness of the consequences if they get caught, should we say then that men are born adulters? Or is it a choice that they make?

    November 21, 2009 at 5:54 AM
  76. foongpc said...

    anonymous, you mean to tell me that gays are made, not born? Well, this is a controversial topic open to discussion but I am just referring to the book "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps" by Allan & Barbara Pease.

    But in my opinion, if gays have a choice to be straight and they choose to be gay, aren't they stupid because they would get ridiculed and discriminated by society?

    Also, how do you explain animals which are "gay"? Do they also choose to be gay?

    November 22, 2009 at 11:28 PM
  77. Mikhail Silverwood said...

    Be careful when you say 'they are just born this way', because it draws ridicule to them.

    The hidden message then becomes, 'Homosexuality is disgusting and we hate you. But I guess you can't help it; kinda like a autistic person can't help being how they are. I suppose we can tolerate gays in society'. That is a very homophobic assumption, and unfortunatley many people think and feel that way.

    Throughout human history there has been homosexuals, and almost all have accepted them as normal and human; just think of Ancient Greece, Rome, Ancient Africa, Ancient India - there was homosexuality in all of these places.
    Homophobia has only exists for 300 years.

    December 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM
  78. foongpc said...

    mikhail silverwood, thanks for your thoughts on this! It's too bad that society at large despise homosexuals even if they accept that gays are born and not made. I really think people should practise a little love and accept everyone regardless of their sexual orientation!

    Just like we should accept people of different race, colour, shape, culture and religion!

    I didn't know that homophobia only existed since 300 years ago! That's interesting!

    December 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM
  79. Mikhail Silverwood said...

    I'm a Marxist, so I argue that homophobia began at the birth of capitalism, around 1790.

    Homophobia is used to oppress the working class, to make gays and straights hate each other.
    Gays feel scared to be true when expressing themselves; straights are constantly worried about not being 'manly enough' or 'womanly enough' to be accepted as normal in society.

    Notice how in Ancient Greece: there was no working class; all labour was done by slaves.
    This meant that there was no need for homophobia to exists - and it didn't!

    All documented homohobia began during the 1700s and 1800s.

    (Since is of course, the Marxist point of view. Other people, such as liberals and leftists, argue that it is religion that has caused homophobia, which means it's 3000 years old. Conservatives, on the other hand, argue that homophobia is 'human nature'.)

    Two more things. Why must society label someone 'gay' or 'straight'? Once a label is given, social rules of acceptance come into it, stereotypes. Black people act X; lesbians act Y; white gay men act Z.
    Labels are wrong because they limit our potentials as human beings.

    Finally: I believe in the 'consenting adults' theory. For as long as romantic relationships and sexual relationship involve 'constenting adults', then there should be absolutely no rules about how they can act.
    They should be allowed to have absolute freedom to experience the joys of being human and being alive.

    December 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM
  80. Caroline Ng May Ling said...

    i ever been called as lesbian eh when im in secondary school, i owez stick with my closest fren and ppl say us weird why dnt layan those boys who keep flirting us, never give chances. btw, there's one real lesbiand ever come to me ask me couple with her, n i run each time i met her. haha its scary actually. lol

    March 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM
  81. Bear said...

    I honestly never met a gay guy that said he was gay by "choice" by any means. Perhaps thats because I live in the midwest though, and I couldn't see a kid wanting that kind of negative attention here ... but I do think it is a broader statement in general. Now, I am not going to say that being gay is all genetic (or even all prenatal, with the hormonal effects), but I do think it is determined quite early on. And not only that, I think the attractions are pretty life-long solid well before puberty hits (for guys at least ... who are more visual-orientated creatures to begin with). There are a lot of things that are both genetic and environmental, like your adult height ... but that surely doesn't make those things a 'choice' or 'changable' really. A gay man's brain is about as even physically different as a straight man's to a straight woman's ... and that structure just doesn't change. I don't think its suprising then the reliability of ones orientation (especially if at the far spectrum of homosexual or heterosexual attractions).

    April 17, 2010 at 3:32 PM
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  85. justin said...

    Even after all this research, it is still a choice to BEHAVE homosexually or not. Just because someone is born into sin and has a defect doesn't mean they can't rise above their sinful, lustful, homosexual urges and desires. God's Word says homosexuality is a sin, therefore BEHAVING homosexually is a sin. I capitalized the word "behave" to emphasize it is not a sin to be tempted. It is only a sin to act on those temptations. For example, if someone makes me mad and I am tempted to insult them, hit them, etc., but don't, have I sinned? No, I have not. Just because Satan tempts me, it doesn't mean I have sinned. But if I listen to the devil and fall into temptation and cuss someone out or harm them, then I have sinned. To draw this into the point I am trying to make, yes, someone may be born with certain sexual tendencies, but that does not mean they have to act on them. Being tempted to commit homosexual acts is not a sin. Actually committing homosexual acts, however, is.

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